I’m from Canada so everyone except for the indigenous originally came from somewhere else. I love it when people ask my about my roots, but someone told me it was rude.

  • @BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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    12 hours ago

    I have a job where I meet the general public, and I ask about peoples’ heritages all the time. I have never been accused of being racist or insensitive because I’m truly interested for the right reasons. I love to know where people are from, what it’s like there, their story of coming to America, etc.

    I think moving your entire life to a new country with a different language and culture is about one of the bravest things a person can do. I genuinely want to hear about that, and people don’t mind sharing under those circumstances.

    It’s when they get the side eye, along with, “So where are YOU from?” that gets the defenses up.

  • RecursiveParadox
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    15 hours ago

    I have kind of the reverse situation. If I were anymore white I’d be transparent. I’m from the States originally, but I speak Dutch with some degree of fluency and …am very white.

    In everyday interactions my roots don’t often come up. But if I talk to someone long enough after 15-20 minutes something about my grammar or accent will tip people off to the fact I ain’t from around here.

    Mostly people just complement me for my Dutch and add that most Americans don’t bother to learn it (this however is changing rapidly since we have had so many people from N America move here and immerse as quickly as they can the last few years.)

    But once in a while they will ask some rather pointed questions about things like religion - assuming I’m a crazy xian - or racism - assuming because I’m white and from the States I must be a racist - etc.

    My wife (100% Dutch, couldn’t possibly be more Dutch) works with refugees, and I’ve helped on many occasions over the years. One of them has become a good friend of ours. And to the refugees it definitely matters where someone is from and it’s the first thing they will ask one another. It is sometimes critical to segregate people from different places or cultures, for safety. I think because of this they don’t mind when whitty asks them where they are from also. Most will want to talk about their home country.

    But, these are refugees, not someone whose parents immigrated here three generations ago and just happen to have brown skin. Asking a non-white person where they are really from is Not Done. But once you get to know someone they will probably bring it up in conversation.

    All that said, some Dutch people can be hella racist despite our reputation for tolerance.

  • Grail
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    78 hours ago

    The way I do it is I ask “Are you from [city we are currently in]?” The immigrants and visitors say no and I get to ask where they’re from. The locals say yes and don’t get offended. There’s no presumption, no implication.

  • @fodor@lemmy.zip
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    As you have noted from the other comments, there are certainly times when it can be rude to ask. And someone told you that you asked rudely. So there’s a reasonable chance they’re right.

    Also, if you think about what you actually wrote, it doesn’t make sense. A lot of people were born in Canada, so they did not come from elsewhere. They in fact came from Canada. Their parents may have come from elsewhere. And you might say, “Hey, what’s the difference?” But actually there’s a huge difference to the people you’re talking to.

    But still, it’s not like the general topic is necessarily off limits. So why don’t you just kind of wait and see how long it takes for other people to bring it up? And that might give you a sense for what the people around you feel is reasonable.

    • @Quilotoa@lemmy.caOP
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      Nobody told me I asked rudely. It came up in a conversation away from any asking incident. Whether people were born in Canada or not, I’m still really interested in culture and would ask. It doesn’t matter what colour their skin is. I just want to know stories.

  • noseatbelt
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    1915 hours ago

    If we just met, yes it is rude. We’re strangers, my life story is none of your business. If we’re more than acquaintances, I expect it would come up naturally at some point in conversation so not rude (hopefully).

    I’m a visible minority so I have to weed out the people who are just trying to satisfy their curiosity about why I’m not white. Those people don’t ever accept the answer that I’m from Vancouver, or that my parents are from Winnipeg. I will never be Canadian enough for those people because of how I look.

    Nobody ever asks my white spouse out of nowhere whether he speaks X language even though he’s given no indication that he does, and nobody ever asks him where he’s really from.

  • @i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca
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    There’s sort of a racist undertone to that kind of question that can put people on guard. I think you just need to be cognizant of that when you frame a question.

    The annoying version goes like this:

    White person: Where are you from?

    Brown person: Calgary

    White person, squinting at their skin: Ok, but where are you from?

    Brown person: Still Calgary.

    White person: visibly frustrated

    The annoying/racist part being that white people are assumed to originate from North America, but literally everyone else (including indigenous people, lol) are immigrants.

    The basic question is fine and I’ve never seen someone upset about being asked. But if you go into more detailed questions, keep in mind they might mispercieve what you’re asking.

    • sem
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      12 hours ago

      So much is contexts dependent.

      If it is obvious that you are asking because someone is different, it can feel icky regardless of the asker’s intentions. For example, if the one brown person at the front desk always gets asked this by customers, but no one seems to ask their coworkers. No follow up questions necessary, just the fact of being singled out feels bad.

      I think it is less about being from North America and more about being in the ingroup or outgroup depending on ancestry.

      Compare this to the context of travelers hanging out at a youth hostel. Everyone is curious about where everyone else is from and it is fun to talk about it.

  • After arriving to a new country and seeing different ppl (I.e. non-white) asked the question “Ok, but where are you really from?”, I realised asking about roots could be seen as rude by association.

    I defaulted to asking, if the conversation heads that way, “Did you grow up around here?” As I see this question assumes you’re a local, and at the same time it’s broad enough for others to respond however they want.

  • Pommes_für_dein_Balg
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    A friend of mine gets asked that all the time, cause he’s brown-skinned with dark, curly hair in Germany. There’s the implication that although he’s a German citizen and was born and lived in Germany all his life, his “roots” are somewhere else, and therefore he isn’t a “real German”.

    If you get asked that question constantly due to your looks, it gets annoying quickly, cause it implies the question whether you fully belong in this country, so keep that in mind.

  • @Mothra@mander.xyz
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    Depends. Many times, yes it is rude. To figure it out I take into account relevance and understandable curiosity. Is it relevant to the situation? What’s their demeanor towards me? But it’s hard to tell, really. Some people wear a mask better than others. And it can get annoying when you hear it several times a day.

  • @wraekscadu@vargar.org
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    So here’s the thing. I wouldn’t view it as impolite in all cases. It just… depends on the context a lot.

    I have no love for my cultural heritage at all. The reason I came to Canada was to get away from… all that, right? So if you’d ask me excitedly about my “roots”, I would give exceedingly one worded answers hoping that you’d drop the topic. I don’t want to glorify the culture I grew up in, because there’s nothing to glorify. Ah, now if you wanted to have a sociological discussion about it, I would be very interested in talking with you. So as I said, “context”, right?

    Often, racist white folk also tend to ask about “culture” as a sly way to remind non white folks that they “aren’t really Canadian” or whatever. Yeah, it makes no logical sense to do that, but well… It happens. So you know… It depends.

    • sem
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      12 hours ago

      The way you write this makes me really curious about what cultural background you have that you do not like. But I can tell it is not a pleasant subject for you!

    • penguinA
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      Yeah I honestly think its best to just let people offer up that information if they’re interested in sharing it, which they often do after talking to them a few times. I don’t get asked questions like that but I do get questions about other peoples ethnicity which I find pretty annoying, like “are they from China” or something like that. I’m like I have no idea they’ve never mentioned it

  • AskewLord
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    Yeah, it’s stupid. I hate it when people ask me question like this. I am not from anywhere, I am from here.

    Usually some drunk idiot I meet though insist that I need to tell them the origin country of my great great grandparents. I want to punch them.

    • qupada
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      I’ve encountered this, as if it’s somehow a problem to be disconnected from your ancestors’ country.

      Guess what? I visited Scotland (where 2/4 of my grandparents are from) a few years back. Had a great time at my favourite whisky distillery. Zero strong feelings for the place otherwise though.

  • @neidu3@sh.itjust.worksM
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    515 hours ago

    I don’t know for sure, but I think so. And I’m a naturally curious person about these things, so I try to frame it in a way different from their looks, such as “That’s an interesting name… where’s it from?”.

    • @Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca
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      312 hours ago

      Depends. If they are white and middle class probably not an issue. Otherwise it might not be received in the ‘get to know you way’ it is intended. I lived in Vancouver for 40 years but didn’t live there as a child. As the joke goes, no one is from there everyone just moves there at some time in their life. If you ask a white person about it, they will tell you where they came from or if they are one of the few born there. If you ask anyone else they will complain that you are racist. Don’t even try to ask about ancestry or language or accent because it is all considered racist. So ask about the weather instead and if they are friendly they will add more to the conversation and if they don’t, they probably don’t want to get to know other people anyway.

      • @Peppycito@sh.itjust.works
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        I’ve had that very same experience and on the coast. I’m an Ontarian and ask people all the time, where they live, where they’re from, what they do… It’s just conversation. When I went out west people, took offense and gave me shit for asking! I figured it’s because a lot of people in BC are searching for an identity because they don’t have a community or something. Or at least the traveler types I met fit that bill. I did learn pretty quick that if they were an ethnicity or sounded like they were from Ontario, you shouldn’t ask them where they grew up.

  • 𝕱𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍
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    It heavily depends on context. I love to chat about mine but I won’t if I sense that there’s a risk of discrimination. The amount of information I divulge depends heavily on how close we are. If you ask it out of the blue and you’re not someone I trust well, it comes off as rude.

    Hello from Ontario

  • fizzle
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    516 hours ago

    Like most things, it depends on the context.